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Of Human Sacrifices

25 Apr

Spanish Inquisitor wrote a post recently on which one of my comments ended up igniting a lengthy debate with CL. Our exchange at SI’s grew exasperating, as our exchanges frequently do, but that doesn’t detract from the value of having interacted with him. Since I had much more to say about the matter than it was appropriate to share in someone else’s comment thread, I decided to do my own post on the subject.

I’ll begin by posting the pertinent section of my comment here:

The same misdirection applies to Jesus’ sacrificial death. Sinners are so busy thanking God that he found a way to forgive their sins that they fail to realize that YHWH could only be appeased by a human sacrifice. You know, the same kind of sacrifice that Christians rail against in other, primitive, religions. Or, they refer to Jesus’ death as deicide, the killing of a god, rather than a homicide; this removes empathy for the murder of a fellow human (let’s face it, only the delusional can identify in any way with a deity.) The effect is still the same – Christians don’t grasp that YHWH’s demand for human sacrifice is no different than a similar demand from any of the other deities that they despise and reject.

It wasn’t long before CL questioned me:

I realize the comparison you’re attempting to draw – that God sending Jesus to die on the cross was “the same kind of sacrifice that Christians rail against in other, primitive, religions.” I disagree.

Where does YHWH issue a “demand for human sacrifice”? I think your comparison was more rhetorically successful than historically or scripturally accurate. There are virtually zero points of similarity between Jesus’ crucifixion and the primitive human sacrifices of the Aztecs, or Maya, or any of Israel’s neighbors in the Old Testament, for example. First of all, Roman crucifixion was punishment for crime against the empire, not religious ceremony. Second, Jesus’ crucifixion was a one-time event, not something employed ritualistically to gain favor with warring tribes or to bless crops and livestock. Further, nobody that was present for Jesus’ crucifixion was offering Jesus up to the supernatural realm, nor did anyone present imagine that Jesus’ death was an atonement for their sin. At Golgotha, the disciples still had no clue. Their conclusions and their final realizations of Christ’s nature as the Messiah purportedly came from the resurrection, after Pentecost, and not during or before the crucifixion.

Hence, we cannot accurately say that Christ’s crucifixion was “the same kind of sacrifice that Christians rail against in other, primitive, religions.”

Did God Demand Human Sacrifice?
The long and short of it is that CL and I went through several rounds of comments over at SI’s place. His initial question to me was, “Where does YHWH issue a demand for human sacrifice?” Since the first sentence of CL’s comment refers to “God sending Jesus to die on the cross” (an implicit acknowledgment of the traditional Christian view that God required Jesus’ sacrificial death to fulfill his redemptive purposes), I find his request for a citation confirming that God ever demanded human sacrifice ironic. Nevertheless, John Evo provided a link to a YouTube video that describes several biblical accounts depicting as YHWH either commanding or accepting human sacrifices.

Are All Human Sacrifices the Same?
Moving on, since CL repeated one particular objection several times, I will address that next. His objection:

we cannot accurately say that Christ’s crucifixion was “the same kind of sacrifice that Christians rail against in other, primitive, religions.”

I want to offer a two-part response to that objection here.

First, even though the form of Jesus’ sacrifice was not the same as other human sacrifices, it was the same in principle. According to CL, Jesus’ death was a “one-time event” and there were “virtually zero points of similarity between Jesus’ crucifixion and the primitive human sacrifices of the Aztecs, or Maya, or any of Israel’s neighbors in the Old Testament, for example.” The religious sacrificial systems that CL cited – Aztec, Mayan and Middle Eastern – relied on repeated, ritualistic slaughters of humans to curry favor with or appease their gods. Obviously, Jesus could only be killed once, so, yes, his sacrificial death was certainly a one-time event as opposed to a repetitive occurrence. Moreover, unlike the sacrifices offered in the religions CL cited, Jesus was not killed according to a prescribed ritual. These are the formal difference between his sacrificial death and other human sacrifices. The similarity that all of these sacrifices share is that humans were killed to curry favor with or appease deities. This shared characteristic warrants grouping all of these sacrifices under the heading of “human sacrifices” and viewing them all as similarly barbaric. The forms are different, but the principle applies in all of the cases noted.

Second, this is why I view the the sacrificial death of Jesus as even more heinous than the sacrifices offered to other deities:

The fact that people played unwitting roles in YHWH’s monstrous drama actually makes the Christian atonement more heinous than other religious rituals. At least the participants in other rituals knew what they were doing. In the Christian scheme of things, most of the people fulfilling YHWH’s plan didn’t have a clue what they were doing. YHWH is nothing more than a Grand Puppetmaster who uses people, including his own flesh and blood, as means to his own ends.

In response to this, CL asked, “So, is relative awareness of the penultimate finality the arbiter of heinousness?”

My answer is that awareness of the purposes and consequences of one’s actions is a significant consideration in evaluating the moral status of behavior. That is why, for example, many Western judicial systems have different standards of judgment and punishment for juveniles and adults, as well as for people with diminished mental capacities. In the case of Jesus’ death, as CL noted, the people who accused, tried, condemned and executed him did not see themselves as participating in a sacrificial ritual. The Romans were executing a man they regarded as a threat to political stability. The Jews were, via the Romans, ridding themselves of a prophet whom they believed was undermining their religious traditions. The fact that all of them were completely clueless about the role they allegedly were playing in God’s divine plan of redemption strikes me as a callous and cowardly use of people, by God, as means to his own ends, and it raises another substantive issue.

Is a Sacrifice Valid if it is Offered Unwittingly and Doesn’t Adhere to the Prescribed Ritual?
CL noted, in the comment cited above, that

a) “Roman crucifixion was punishment for crime against the empire, not religious ceremony”
b) “Jesus’ crucifixion was a one-time event, not something employed ritualistically to gain favor with warring tribes or to bless crops and livestock.”
c) “nobody that was present for Jesus’ crucifixion was offering Jesus up to the supernatural realm, nor did anyone present imagine that Jesus’ death was an atonement for their sin,” and
d) “Their conclusions and their final realizations of Christ’s nature as the Messiah purportedly came from the resurrection, after Pentecost, and not during or before the crucifixion.”

I agree with all of these points. Therefore, it’s difficult to see how Christians can sustain the claim that Jesus’ death can (let alone should) be interpreted as being connected in any way with the Jewish sacrificial system, and, more importantly, as being sufficient to serve as the ultimate, completely satisfactory sacrifice that perfectly fulfilled the Jewish sacrificial requirements and rendered the entire system obsolete in one master stroke. Yet, that’s what they claim: Jesus’ death was the sacrifice that effected atonement for all humankind, for all time. The Christian eisegesis (reading a meaning into a text, or, in this case, an event, rather than deriving or extracting the meaning from the text/event) regarding Jesus’ crucifixion was allegedly warranted, as CL noted, by Jesus’ resurrection appearances, his subsequent ascension (my addition to CL’s notation), and the disciples’ Pentecost experience – all events for which Christian scriptures provide the only evidence.  There are at least two difficulties with the apostles’ ex post facto interpretation of Jesus’ death.

1. One can fabricate connections between any number of arbitrary events after the fact. This is the same problem that arises with claims that numerous Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. It’s easy to read prophecies that were made in the past and interpret or describe subsequent events as their realization. It may be the case the Jesus’ disciples wanted to find some way of making sense of his death, of making it count for something more than just another hideous execution. Their ex post facto explanation accomplished that.

(Before anyone jumps in with the objection that my scenario is merely unsubstantiated opinion, I will state that my scenario is a reasoned plausible hypothesis about how the earliest Christians started formulating the belief that Jesus’ death had been sacrificial (and, therefore, significant) rather than senseless. Far from being unsubstantiated, my scenario is inferred from what is commonly known about human psychology, specifically, our need to make sense of seemingly senseless events. My scenario is only one of an infinite number of plausible explanations that could be inferred on any number of psychological and sociological grounds.)

2. The fact that crucifixion was not the means of slaughter prescribed by God is a significant impediment to viewing a death by crucifixion as a sacrifice that would appease him. The Jewish God, like other deities, required that sacred rituals be performed in specific ways, which were carefully explicated in the Jewish scriptures. Crucifixion doesn’t bear any resemblance to any Jewish rituals.

Who Offered Jesus as a Human Sacrifice?
Of course, one may argue that Jesus’ death still counts as a sacrifice because it was God, not the Jews or Romans, who offered the sacrifice. The notion of “God sending Jesus to die on the cross” fits this view. From that perspective, the sacrifice is valid because God knew what was going on all the time, even if nobody else did. I have two objections to this argument.

1. If God wanted to offer Jesus as a sacrifice, he should have done the deed himself, rather than shifting the responsibility of carrying out the task to the Romans and Jews. Shifting the responsibility in this manner was cowardly, to say the least.

2. God veered so far away from his own prescribed methods of sacrifice that it’s easy to understand why many people had, and continue to have, difficulty viewing Jesus’ death as fulfilling his divine purposes. Even if God had the right to change things anytime he wanted to do so, people can hardly be blamed for not recognizing that he had done so in this case. One also has to wonder why a god who is purportedly perfect and unchanging would alter procedures so radically and without warning, especially on a matter as important as this one. Again, one can’t blame people for not understanding what God was supposedly doing.

In short, if God wanted or needed to perform a grand act of redemption, one would think that

a) he could (and should) have devised a means of doing so that would have been clearly apprehended as such from the start, and
b) he could (and should) have had the courage and integrity to do the deed himself.

Are those two things too much to ask of an omnimax deity?

In conclusion, I will note three things. First, I want to thank CL for engaging in the dialog at SI’s blog. His questions helped me think through my position more carefully than I might have done otherwise. Second, having given more thought to my position, I still stand by my comments at SI’s blog. Nothing in our exchange gave me any reason to abandon them. Third and finally, in addition to finding the notion of human sacrifice repulsive, I am more firmly convinced than ever that Jesus’ death was not divinely ordained and that it did not serve any redemptive purpose. Whatever else Jesus may have been, I don’t believe he was either God’s son or the world’s savior.

– the chaplain

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Posted by on April 25, 2009 in religion

 

20 Responses to Of Human Sacrifices

  1. Boudica

    April 25, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    And let’s not foget the paradox of Judas and the Romans not knowing their parts in this sacrificial ritual. Why do Christians scorn Judas and the Romans (and in other times, the Jews) for their part in all this when it was necessary for their actions to be done in order to fulfill YHWH’s will. Christians should celebrate the Romans, Judas and the Jews actions. None of it makes sense.

     
  2. the chaplain

    April 25, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Boudica:
    Welcome to my blog! Thanks for reminding me of Judas’ role in this sordid business. It is ironic that, notwithstanding their belief that Jesus’ death was necessary and foreordained, Christians have demonized Judas and Jews throughout history. Scorn of the Romans probably diminished when Christianity became the official religion of their Empire in the fourth century. Still, your point stands – Christians should laud the Romans, Jews and Judas for fulfilling the tasks that God refused to do himself.

     
  3. Spanish Inquisitor

    April 25, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    None of it makes sense.

    Well, if you assume that god doesn’t exist, and, for that matter, neither did jesus, at least not in the heroic, mythical sense he’s portrayed, then of course it all makes perfect sense.

    A bunch of fervent loonies in the 1st century need to find some focal point to rally behind in order to give some meaning to their lives, which looks relatively hopeless in a world dominated by a foreign power (Rome), and doesn’t make a lot of sense to them. They create, slowly and incrementally over the course of a few centuries, this mythical character who showed up in their small backwater region of the world, albeit briefly, with a promise to come back and free them from the tyranny they live under, and make life peachy-keen wonderful for everyone that follows them, gives them money, and pays them respect. Eventually they actually begin to believe their own fantasy, and – voila’ – Christianity is created.

    Makes perfect sense.

     
  4. Richard T

    April 26, 2009 at 4:52 am

    I think it is at least arguable that the central ceremony of Christianity – the Mass/Holy Communion – is an act of ritual cannibalism and it is this that ties the crucifixion into ritual human sacrifice. Pretty well every cult that has human sacrifice at the centre of its beliefs has a ritual consumption of the victim and given this, it seems to follow that Christianity is not substantially different. I cannot accept that the scale, frequency and repetition of sacrifice in other cults make a sufficiently substantial differentiation from the core belief in the Christian faith.

     
  5. Sarge

    April 26, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I think there is a hint in Ezekial where yahweh baldly states that he required the first born to be put through the fire.

    Actually states that this entity gave the people rules that ‘weren’t good’ and that the ‘couldn’t live with’. Mainly, so tey would know he wa “The Lord”.

     
  6. the chaplain

    April 26, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Richard:
    Welcome to the chapel. Thanks for reminding me of the cannibalistic nature of the Communion ceremony. I’m embarrassed to think that I once cherished communion as a beautiful ceremony. I agree with you that the scope and frequency of the human sacrifices does not render one sacrificial system more or less barbaric than another.

    Sarge:
    The Bible passage you referred to is Ezekial 20:26.

    I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn — that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.(NIV)

    26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire, that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the LORD. (NKJV)

    What to make of this verse (and the entire passage)?

    1. God did not demand or require the human sacrifices that the Israelites were offering. It seems that they took it upon themselves to sacrifice their children (a common practice in the worship of Molech, a rival god).

    2. He considered said sacrifices unclean. The reason for this judgment is not clear. Two possibilities:

    a. They’re unclean because God doesn’t want human sacrifices – since most Jewish sacrifices were of animals rather than humans, this seems plausible. One problem is that God did, on occasion, accept human sacrifices (the two clearest cases that we know about seem to be Jephthah’s daughter in Judges 11 and Jesus, in the four gospels, numerous NT letters of Paul and the NT letter to the Hebrews – see especially Hebrews 10, specifically, 10:10). I don’t know by what criteria some human sacrifices are accepted and others are not.

    b. They’re unclean because they’re offered in the manner of offerings made to Molech, a rival god. This fits with the idea that God’s sacrifices were to be completed in a specific manner. God didn’t like syncretism – mixing the practices of Judaism with the practices of other religions – and he certainly didn’t like worship of any gods other than himself.

    3. He didn’t stop the Israelites from offering them (as he did, for example, with Abraham). This can be explained as God allowing people to make choices and suffer the consequences. As we know, God has allegedly allowed rampant evil throughout history, purportedly because we have free will.

     
  7. David Murdoch

    April 26, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    If a person gave an organ to a person who was dying, would it be correct to compare the organ donor to a person who mutilated himself?

    If a person risked her life for another person and lost herr life in the process, would it be correct to compare the person who risked her life with a person who committed suicide?

    Jesus’ sacrifice isn’t quite the same as human sacrifice in the pagan world, because while it in some ways resembles the practice, the difference that separates it is that murdering Jesus was a sin in the eyes of God, whereas killing a sacrificial victim in the pagan world was obedience to what the gods demanded. In the pagan world, killing people to appease the gods was a good thing, while here killing Jesus was an evil act that would deserve hellfire if it was left unrepented. The sacrifice of Jesus is similar to the pagan concept in the fashion that God accepted this death to merit redemption for humanity, but it is not similar in the fashion that God actually demanded that we kill Jesus.

     
  8. the chaplain

    April 26, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    David:
    Welcome to the chapel.

    The answers to your first two questions are no and no. I assume the analogy you are making is that Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice for the sins of others. Even if one grants that supposition, what is the real relationship between his sacrifice and one’s alleged sins? How does one confirm whether the intended effect was actually obtained?

    The relationship between the organ donor and the donee is that the donee’s chances of survival actually improve. The relationship between the hero who risks his or her life in a rescue attempt, battle, whatever, is that the person for whom the risk is being taken may actually benefit from the act. Those relationships/effects can be observed directly. The situation with religious sacrifices, unfortunately, is that one never sees tangible results. There is no way to ascertain whether there is a relationship/effect, or the whole thing is just a waste of an innocent’s life.

    Your parallel between the sacrifice of Jesus and any other pagan sacrifice is interesting. You seem to be saying that pagan sacrifices were okay within their particular systems because their gods demanded them. In contrast, you seem to be saying

    a) that God didn’t demand Jesus’ sacrifice, but he accepted it nonetheless, and
    b) that Jesus’ execution was an evil act.

    It seems to me that, if God accepts a sacrifice (even if he didn’t require it), then it can’t fairly be considered “a sin in the eyes of God.”

     
  9. Sabio

    April 26, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    A sacrifice is made to gain something. Nothing was lost. And if something was lost, it is obvious that Jesus’ death didn’t gain it back. Oh yeah, we have to wait till the second coming.

     
  10. the chaplain

    April 26, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Sabio:
    Welcome to the chapel. The next time someone wants to offer a sacrifice on my behalf, I’d like to be consulted about the matter. I might have an opinion about whether I had lost something, or whether the proposed sacrifice would be worthwhile.

     
  11. John Evo

    April 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I am more firmly convinced than ever that Jesus’ death was not divinely ordained

    I’m not firmly convinced that he ever existed.

     
  12. Lifeguard

    April 27, 2009 at 7:54 am

    I find nothing hairier in an apologetic debate than trying to critique the internal logic of Christianity from the inside, because you’re arguing that Christianity does not make sense even if you assume God exists. I agree with you that it doesn’t make sense, but arguing it with God in the mix is going to be maddening.

    As for your arguments, you could add that this was not a sacrifice and that neither God the Father nor Jesus sacrificed anything, so what sense does any of it make? Jesus, as I understand it, IS GOD, right? Can any of us kill God even if he is also man? Does the God part live on? How is that death? And since God can, as per scripture, resurrect others as well as himself, then what did God sacrifice or accomplish in allowing himself to be killed only to rise again anyway? Especially since we already have questions about whether or not God can be killed at all?

     
  13. the chaplain

    April 27, 2009 at 9:52 am

    John Evo:
    Obviously, the character described in the NT, performing miracles, etc., did not exist as portrayed. Was that character based on some actual prophet? Possibly. Was that character based on a composite of several prophets? Possibly. Was the character created completely from scratch? Possibly. There’s a lot we don’t know about Jesus. Maybe some additional, as yet undiscovered, old documents will shed more light on him. Nevertheless, since the YHWH character doesn’t exist, it can safely be said that Jesus, whoever he was, was not YHWH’s son, let alone a savior from sin as depicted in Christianity.

    Lifeguard:
    Good to see you back. It’s been a long time. You’re right about trying to look at apologetics from anywhere close to the inside – hairy is too polite a term for the process. :) All of your questions about the sacrifice and Jesus’ nature are good ones that haven’t been answered in ways that convince me of the truth of Christianity’s claims.

     
  14. Spanish Inquisitor

    April 27, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Hi Lifeguard. Good to see you.

    Just narrow it down to the pain and suffering he allegedly incurred to save us from our sins.

    Can God suffer? Does he feel pain? Even if he does, does it feel like pain? Can’t he turn it on and off at whim? Do we know whether he was just acting like he was in pain up there on the cross? Maybe he was laughing inside. How would anyone know otherwise?

     
  15. Vitamin R

    April 27, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Wow!

    There’s nothing more dangerous than an atheist with a bible :D

     
  16. Sean the Blogonaut

    May 2, 2009 at 6:54 am

    Mr Logical Fallacy is notably absent :)

    I too am skeptical about Jesus existence. So to that extent I find debating the issue of his sacrifice kind of like that of discussing themes of sacrifice in Lord of the Rings/Silmarillion only much less entertaining.

     
    • the chaplain

      May 2, 2009 at 7:55 am

      I hear you about the interest such a debate holds. A large part of this post (and the discussion at SI’s blog) was about me working through one piece of my evolving understanding of the Christian faith that I held for many years. For a long time, I just accepted that Jesus’ death was sad but necessary and I should be so grateful for what he did for me and wasn’t God wonderful for allowing his son to die in my place…. This post was probably written for myself more than for my readers. Thank you all for your patience in allowing me to think onscreen.

       
  17. OneSmallStep

    May 2, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    There are a lot of comments involved in this topic, both here and especially on the other thread. So I apologize if this has already been addressed. I think it’s somewhat addressed in the “Is a Sacrifice Valid if it is Offered Unwittingly and Doesn’t Adhere to the Prescribed Ritual?” section

    But isn’t the concept of a demand for human sacrifice focused on what the God demands, and not whether a second party understands those demands? The primary statement was that God demands a human sacrifice in order to appease His wrath and be able to forgive humanity. Other gods in other cultures demand sacrifices in order to do things as well. So Christians are condemning in one culture what they find in their own.

    The nature of the premise focuses on what the Gods are demanding, only. The Christian God needs a sacrifice. The other non-Christian gods need a sacrifice.

    Yet the rebuttal seems focused on how the sacrifice is performed. It comes across as saying there aren’t similarities because it was a Roman execution, not a religious execution. It’s also a one time event, not a periodic one, and that no one at the crucifixion was offering Jesus up as a sacrifice to God.

    But the nature of the death, or the frequency of the sacrifice/s or even a second party offering up something as a sacrifice to God … how do those have any bearing on the premise that God demands a human sacrifice? Weren’t you only saying that it’s the same as the other cultures because both Gods were only appeased by such a sacrifice? You weren’t saying they were the same because of how often, or the type of death, or who offered the sacrifice to God.

    And I don’t think you can use the idea of it’s not God demanding a sacrifice because no one said Jesus was a sacrifice at the time of the crucifixion. Isn’t the whole idea of Christianity that God knew humans were incapable of offering the perfect sacrifice, so God provided/God became the perfect sacrifice Himself? That humans had no role in the sacrifice anyway?

    Although, maybe the two responses are conflicting because of this: ““the same kind of sacrifice that Christians rail against in other, primitive, religions.”

    It would depend on why Christians rail against it — do they rail against it because of the frequency, or the nature of the act, or just the basic barbarism of sacrificing humans? If so, I can see where the rebuttal came from, and why it’s said that the two aren’t comparable.

    But if they rail against it because human sacrifice is wrong, period (and the knowledge of those doing the killing has no bearing on the act itself), and it’s wrong even if it’s once, then I don’t see how the nature of Jesus’s sacrifice is then okay. It’s the same situation.

     
  18. Sean the Blogonaut

    May 2, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Chappy,

    I didn’t have to read it did I:)

    I din’t mean to be overly critical either, its your blog write what you want. What has been annoying me about CL of late is that he is being excruciatingly anal, not with the apparent purpose of really furthering the discussion, but with catching you out(maybe I judge him unfairly).

    I like it when he makes me stop, think and question if I am making unfounded assertions or if I am being sloppy.

    I hate it when he sucks the very life out of the conversation.

    I mean I am a Skeptic, I try to be careful about thinking critically but not to the point where it goes outside the conversational nature of a blog comments section.
    As an example I am reviewing a new book on religion as a confidence trick. I am being anal about that authors assertions because of the context, I am being far more critical with the author than I normally would be if I was responding to a short post.

     
  19. jim

    May 7, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Hi. I don’t mean to muddy the waters even further, but since God is the one who requires this ‘sacrifice’, and also since He seems to have instituted the specific scenario, and supplied the victim, isn’t God simply offering a sacrifice to Himself? As I understand it, the OT sacrifices were personal offerings, like payoffs from someone who’s incurred a debt, sort of like paying a fine. These seem like two intrinsically different things to me.

    Also, the idea that Jesus is supposedly God seems to throw another monkey wrench into the mix. How does one offer the sacrifice of One’s self to One’s self, exactly? It’s like somebody owes me money, so I take money out of the wallet in my left pocket, put it into the wallet in my right pocket, and then say “Ok, you don’t owe me anymore”. Seems like a pointless, superfluous gesture in waiving a debt, no?

     

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