Here We Go Again
Oh, for Zeus’s sake! Those right-wing religious idiots never let up. Another creationism in the public schools controversy is brewing in North Carolina:
The Brunswick County school board is looking for a way for creationism to be taught in the classroom side by side with evolution.
“It’s really a disgrace for the state school board to impose evolution on our students without teaching creationism,” county school board member Jimmy Hobbs said at Tuesday’s meeting. “The law says we can’t have Bibles in schools, but we can have evolution, of the atheists.”
Oh, dear. Mr. Jimmy Hobbs has confused atheism with science. It’s easy to see how he would make such an error. Mr. Hobbs, please be advised that evolution is a scientific theory, atheism is not. Moreover, many religious people, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc., have no problem accepting evolution and exercising their religious faiths. Perhaps you’d like to try it. Some say it’s easier than walking and chewing gum at the same time.
When asked by a reporter, his fellow board members all said they were in favor of creationism being taught in the classroom.
Clearly, Hobbs and his fellow board members are all idiots. This is more evidence that it may well be time to dispense with the practice of electing school boards. Instead, we could just let the educated educational professionals do their jobs. Is that a revolutionary idea or what?
The topic came up after county resident Joel Fanti told the board he thought it was unfair for evolution to be taught as fact, saying it should be taught as a theory because there’s no tangible proof it’s true.
“I wasn’t here 2 million years ago,” Fanti said. “If evolution is so slow, why don’t we see anything evolving now?”
Oh, goody, another “evolution is just a theory” proponent. Mr. Fanti, you really need to set aside your Bible for a few minutes a day and read some science instead. Evolution is both theory and fact, and there’s lots of tangible evidence that it’s true. Let me guess: you got a flu vaccine ten years ago, so you don’t intend to get one this year. After all, according to your view, additional flu shots are superfluous because we don’t see anything evolving now.
The board allowed Fanti to speak longer than he was allowed, and at the end of his speech he volunteered to teach creationism and received applause from the audience.
Obviously, the entire town (or, more charitably, the portion of the town represented by those who attended this meeting) is either batshit crazy or abysmally stupid.
When he walked away, school board Chairwoman Shirley Babson took the podium and said another state had tried to teach evolution and creationism together and failed, and that the school system must teach by the law.
“Evolution is taught because that’s what the General Assembly tells us to teach,” Babson said, adding that she doesn’t agree with it, but that students must learn it to graduate.
Damn those pesky laws about what constitutes appropriate curriculum. They really get in the way of teaching superstitions, myths and eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. By the way, Ms. Babson, your personal opinion about the law is completely irrelevant. Stating it added nothing substantive to the discussion. I’ll bet it helped you score a few brownie points with the assembled masses, though.
In 1997, proponents in the N.C. General Assembly tried to amend the law to say that evolution must be taught as a theory and not as a fact in public schools, but that did not pass. Then at the national level in 2005, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching “intelligent design” – which claims organisms must have been created by a higher power and that it’s compatible with evolution – as a violation of the constitutional separation of church and state.
Board attorney Joseph Causey said it might be possible for the board to add creationism to the curriculum if it doesn’t replace the teaching of evolution.
Board attorney Joseph Causey needs to read the details of the Dover decision before dispensing his dreadfully bad advice. In the meantime, the school board should open a search for a more competent attorney before they land their school district into a pile of legal difficulties. In the past, legal difficulties related to teaching creationism and ID have led to financial difficulties for the school districts involved. It’s something they may want to keep in mind.
Schools’ Superintendent Katie McGee said her staff would do research.
Babson said the board must look at the law to see what it says about teaching creationism, but that “if we can do it, I think we ought to do it.”
The issue will continue to be discussed at the board’s committee meetings on Oct. 21.
I’m going to be charitable, for once, and suggest that the superintendent’s promise of further research was merely a salve to the morons in the audience. I suspect she already knows that this line of inquiry is not going to yield the results these idiots want. In the meantime, I’m accepting your bets on whether this matter will be put to rest once and for all, at least for this school district, at next month’s meeting.
– the chaplain







“I wasn’t here 2 million years ago,” Fanti said. “If evolution is so slow, why don’t we see anything evolving now?”
I’ll admit I’m not the sharpest pencil in the box, but didn’t he just sort of answer his own question?
Up here in Canada we have school boards too, but they have no say in curriculum – that is set at the provincial level by professionals. Not surprising that we have no creationism controversy here.
““I wasn’t here 2 million years ago,” Fanti said. “If evolution is so slow, why don’t we see anything evolving now?””
Let’s ask the same question with a slight difference. I wasn’t here two thousand years ago. Why don’t we see any miracles these days?
DD – His failure to recognize that he had answered his question is evidence of the guy’s dullness. His pencil clearly needs some heavy duty sharpening.
Brian – The American commitment to local control of schools may need to be reconsidered. I hope it happens before we become a third-world nation.
Kazoo – I like your question.
I suggest carpet bombing Brunswick County and seeing what evolves from the rubble. Those folks make a great case for eugenic control of the human population. They’re too stupid to be allowed to live and breed.
I’d like to say that we don’t have this sort of stuff here in Australia but as I reported earlier you damn Americans have given us creationist schooling along with Coca Cola and Pamela Anderson.
I realize we gave you Ken Ham and NZ gave you Ray Comfort but damn it – enough already.
Ric – Your solution is tempting, very tempting.
Sean – Are you complaining about Coke and Pamela? Besides, I’m not sure there’s anything you Aussies and Kiwis can do to compensate for Ken and Ray.
You hit on an awesome point…by their shear numbers, MORE Christians support evolution than atheists (just not percentage-wise). Maybe evolution is a Christian thing afterall?
Sean -
You guys can keep the Coke and the schooling thing, but do send Pamela back.
Well, if they can get competent legal advice, they’ll realize they’ve just poisoned the well and any hope they ever had is now loooooong gone. So perhaps it will get settled at the next meeting.
**“I wasn’t here 2 million years ago,” Fanti said. “If evolution is so slow, why don’t we see anything evolving now?”**
I’m glad I’m not the only one reacting to this question. When I first read this, I thought I was lacking intelligence, because this seemed too easy.
A pity this line of reasoning couldn’t be used as proof as to why there’s no Intelligent Design.
So how does one get elected to a school board? Obviously you don’t need to show any understanding of education in general and certainly not any understanding of the subjects that are taught to students, so what is the criteria? I’d like to know, because maybe I should run. Besides, it must pay better than getting a part time job at Target, so I’m suddenly interested.
I’ve always hated elected school boards. If one is elected to control curriculum, what better way to maintain power than to make your constituents as dumb as possible?
This is, BTW, how the New Orleans School Board has been run for years.
Of course, what are the alternatives? Appointed stooges? Insulated intellectual professionals?
Ric – Why am I not surprised that you want Pamela close to home?
Ridger – I hope this thing is nipped in the bud before lots of people go through senseless turmoil.
OneSmallStep – I had a similar reaction when I first read that bit: “Huh? Did I miss something here?”
Philly – It’s not that hard to get elected to a school board. Only a very small percentage of eligible voters ever bothers voting for these people at all. That’s why it’s so easy for the Religious Right to get toeholds in school systems and create havoc.
bullet – If curriculum were controlled by the states, then local school boards would not be able to meddle in that area. They could continue to address local budget issues and school boundaries, etc. and leave the curricular content to the experts.
Chappy:
If curriculum were controlled by the states, then local school boards would not be able to meddle in that area. They could continue to address local budget issues and school boundaries, etc. and leave the curricular content to the experts.
You’ve got a lot of … um … faith in the states, don’t you?
Exactly, Ex. No matter how high you go up the chain, eventually a person (or people) have to make these decisions. And someone will have to choose that person (or people). Who can we trust to make that choice? Who can we trust to make those decisions? An elected official needs to be re-elected and will act accordingly. An appointed official needs to please the appointer. Sure, some people actually care about their job and act in the children’s best interest. More and more, though, these people who are chosen to safeguard our future are in it only for themselves. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.
“Moreover, many religious people, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc., have no problem accepting evolution and exercising their religious faiths.”
Yes, but by fundie logic those “Christians” aren’t True Christians, the Jews killed Jesus, and Buddhists aren’t even Christians at all.
Sean the Blogonaut “…you damn Americans have given us…Pamela Anderson.”
Actually, Canada gave you Pam. America just gave you her chest.
PhillyChief “So how does one get elected to a school board?”
First, you run for election for a school board…
bullet “Of course, what are the alternatives?…Insulated intellectual professionals?”
You make that sound like a bad thing. Look at it this way; do you want people more educated that you to pick what your kids learn…or less educated?
The answer is the difference between having kids with combovers and corduroy jackets with suede patches on the elbows or mullets, mesh “wife-beater” tops and flip-flops.
…that should be “more educated than you”…